585 HE -- Cases In Production --

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  1. hubel585

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    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.

    Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.

    Told company if they did them NEFUltra style, rifled, heavy 12ga slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.

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    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed

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    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed

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    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,

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    Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
    Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
    compared to many others.

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    Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.

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    Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..

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    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
    variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed

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    Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
    It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt
    further back, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
    Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
    Needs, more shaping, polishing, blueing, scope rail added.

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    Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking stock.
    Nice looking wood. Ed

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    Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.

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    Here is another view of the great camo job on the
    585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed

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    Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

    It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

    by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

    Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

    the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.


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    That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The

    2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

    from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

    He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

    Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED


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    Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell Fitzpatrick's win.......

    .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

    Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

    Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

    muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make

    these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..


    Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

    a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

    The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).



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    Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

    The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed


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    Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

    for our case as it came from production line,.

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    I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots.

    We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

    Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

    a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

    handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,


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    Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

    375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed


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    Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
    a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.


    Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
    published in Oct, now out for sale,

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    We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE.
    The other couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
    shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the other one...Got a bunch
    guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
    testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. King of 2 mile
    shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case,

    Here's how we size and seat 375 HE, a simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
    A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
    pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.

    I do primer work separate, not in the press.That way I can clean pocket, check
    flash hole,....... SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

    When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
    held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
    the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight. About .35" down.

    So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
    below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

    Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
    reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

    After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
    bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
    perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
    bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

    These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
    bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
    Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

    OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
    bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

    All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
    for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed


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    Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in

    Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture


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    Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that

    are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

    from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on

    another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

    We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with

    lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

    Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed

    to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer prints are

    at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed

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    Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing 585 HE

    they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from

    ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel would be

    over 2900, 14000 ft lbs with full load..

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    Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left.

    Middle case is with 330 gr, right case is 400gr bullet.

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    Here is picture of out 375HE testgun, in heavy t-hole stock.

    So far 340 gr to 3700 and 360gr 3600.

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    Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die,

    test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm specs.

    When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys

    Soon will have 408 HE with specs set up also, for guys,

    Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for

    our bigger case .Ed

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    Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases,
    2 on left necked, 2 on right formed in hydro die after necking..

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    Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left we are experimenting
    with, going to see if we can make the ultimate 416 ELR case.
    Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, a long one pictured.
    Holds over 280 gr ball powder under bullet. In the picture,
    1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 HE, 4th 378 WEA.

    416 HSM will get 400gr to 4100 plus without needing BMG action,
    470 gr 3800 plus , it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
    Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
    to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and srtill be under 50 lbs.
    A lot of the 2 mile type shoots are adopting 50lb limit.

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    Here is picture of the 416 HSM fireformed once,
    next to bmg case we make it from and as we
    improve wildcatting process next few weeks
    some specs may make small changes, now from
    base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..


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    Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
    He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
    We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
    Going to do lot more cases for these 2 sizes also,
    Questions, PM or email. ph 989-644-5228..

    Here are final specs for 416 HE.
    Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
    length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed
     
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    Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for 28ga and
    410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases.
    They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with
    our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass cases or have
    RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE,
    410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc..

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    Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original
    BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
    enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
    in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting
    work set up so we can do at least hundred a month.
    We have lots of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs.....
    And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers.

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    Here's comparison of 416 target cases, 1st 416 HE, have whole bunch.
    Second is model of what I'd have made on medium machine, if I could,
    the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of 230gr..
    Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting bmg
    cases, And if had run long cases, make longer 375 HE necking down 416 ..

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    Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
    Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
    375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )...
    It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

    Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,
    weekend 10-13th at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
    Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE
    Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed
     
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    The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on
    last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324.
    They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that case....


    The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

    has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

    on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..

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    More info out now; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
    Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case
    proportions, too sharp of shoulders, too fast of powders...........
    and debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below..
    My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.

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    Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
    made by necking our 585 HE big belted case.

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    Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM on the right..

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    Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass,

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    A 375 HE, with Lawton action, few are being done with those,Ed .....

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    So I take it you have issues with Rouge dinosaurs around your property
     
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    I may be a little off base, but this seems a little extreme for any North American game which can be harvested with much smaller, cheaper and accessible ammunition and firearms. I'm not saying this doesn't have a coolness factor to it, but not very practical. In one post it was mentioned that maybe 1 in 10000 hunters go on a African hunting safari. I think it's probably closer to 1 in 1000000, but you guys keep rocking on with your elephant guns.
     
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    Charging chipmunks-- Just the shooting, loading, experimenting, great fun....

    A 585 HE ...shot with moderate heavy load......

    https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/20404363_470558053312276_3772630570509533184_n.mp4


    Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid Precision...

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    Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr bullet about 3450-3475,

    bolt opened easily with one finger...And he's just getting started

    and is checking on better powder, Ed..



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    Here is recap simple setup to get faster loads with 12ga sabots

    & slugs, Example using break actions...., reaming chamber

    in a 12ga break action to 3.5" with a 3.5" 12ga reamer, that isn't

    something needing special order, and use 3.5" plastic cases , or

    get 3.5" brass cases made. With mag shotgun primers and

    our slower powder loads you can get a quarter more speed,

    which gives 50% more energy...


    585 Hubel Express video, 190ft/lbs recoil, heavy load, gun little light.....




    Another view of Asteroid Precision's.... 375 HE target gun,

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    Here is our 416 HSM we are developing next to 416 Barrett, Ed

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